On 06/27/09 16:22, somebody wrote:
> True as the last sentence is, it's not the whole truth. That kind of
> thinking has also ruined guilty people's lives, and lack of that kind of
> thinking has also saved guilty people's lives. Not only that, but that kind
> of thinking on occasion has ruined other innocent people's lives who were
> victimized by a wrongfully acquitted criminal whose identity or risk was not
> revealed to the community he was released into.

	I'm quite sure Warp was well aware of this when he wrote it.

> More often than not, where there's smoke, there's fire, and you cannot and

	Highly misleading. More often than not, where there's smoke, *and no 
one finds a fire*, there was no fire.

> proof of innocence. And it's no secret that rich and famous get benefits
> that the commoner does not. If a poor, no-name construction worker had faced
> the same accusations and testimonials/evidence, he'd be rotting behind bars
> as we type.

	Yes, but that does not imply that the poor construction worker was 
guilty, or that this fact made MJ statistically more likely to be guilty.

> Also, people's judgements are not as black and white (no pun intended) as
> the legal system's.

	Which is what Warp is complaining about. Are you suggesting that if two 
individuals accuse you on separate occasions of things you didn't do, 
it's OK for someone to think you did it? If you did, then I think Warp 
was talking about you...

> outburst? No, and neither should he have been, that would be ridiculous. But

	It would be ridiculous, because it was not a crime. What MJ was accused 
of is a crime, hence the need to find him guilty if he actually was 
guilty. Your example is not analogous.

> a glimpse into the uglier sides of the minds of public figures can forever
> taint their accomplishments. I was a big fan of Seinfeld before that, but

	Yes, they can. Which is what Warp complained about. Everybody has a bad 
day, and that day may have been Richard's. That outburst alone is a very 
poor indicator of any racial biases he may or may not have had. If it 
is, then almost everyone I know is a racist, including some people on 
this newsgroup.

	And again, his case is irrelevant. There's *no* doubt that Richards 
said what he did. OTOH, there's a lot of doubt that MJ did what he was 
accused of.

> enthusiasm. Like it or not, feelings are not switches that one can turn on
> or off at will, neither do I wish that were the case.

	I believe Warp's point is that feelings *are* switched on and off very 
easily - regardless of will. I believe his point is that people should 
be a bit more mature on how they control their feelings.

	It seems you saw a clip of Richards, and your feelings switched quite 
quickly.

> have certain prized qualities). If there are men with those women, a blind
> man can read from their faces that they are merely feigning interest not to
> come across as a jerk. Men don't ordinarily relate to children, let alone

	Or rather, people like yourself try to find any sign of "feigning" 
among them, in order to fit your world view. It's a known phenomenon in 
many disciplines.

	Your whole paragraph about the strollers and the differences between 
men and women is ridiculous. You're basically attributing the 
differences to physical/physiological reasons because that's what you're 
used to observing (i.e. invoking a phenomenon to explain that very 
phenomenon).

> there exceptions? Maybe, one in a million. But I don't see a emotionally
> balanced (which I don't think MJ was) grown man prefrerring the company of
> children, over, say, even a dog's, and finding intellectual fulfillment from
> that.

	Yes, this is precisely what Warp's complaining about - people like 
yourself being incapable of realizing that the difference in behaviors 
between men and women towards children may be mostly cultural, and 
almost none of it physiological.

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Do Not Attempt to Traverse a Chasm in Two Leaps...


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